tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-310844642024-03-12T21:43:46.818-07:00The Body TheologicA blog devoted to Catholic theology.PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-9274824775188437212010-08-25T09:32:00.000-07:002010-08-25T09:32:34.691-07:00Ronald Knox on EvangelicalismTo be tied to no dead hand of tradition, bowed down by no cumbrous legacies of antiquity, leaves the mind more free for speculation, and the heart for adventure. But in disclaiming the dead, you are yourself disclaimed by the dead. If you are not prepared to blush for Alexander the Sixth, it is childishly inconsistent to take pride in the memory of Saint Francis. You may claim a kind of sentimental connection with the Christianity of earlier ages, but not a historic, not a vital continuity. The Fathers of the early Church may be your models and your heroes, but they are no genuine part of your ancestry.<br />
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- The Belief of Catholics, Chapter 2PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-7030718098393213942010-02-15T08:25:00.000-08:002010-02-15T08:25:32.737-08:00Cardinal Dulles on the Scriptural Basis of the Filioque<p>I'm quite glad that I ran across Cardinal Dulles' article on the Filioque. It has a very interesting section about the scriptural basis of that phrase in the creeed. The full text of the article can be found <a href="http://www.ctsfw.net/media/pdfs/dullesthefilioque.pdf">here</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>In appraising the importance of the filioque, one must compare it
with two other positions regarding the origin of the Spirit. The first,
the so-called "monopatrist" position, affirms the procession of the
Spirit from the Father alone. This was the formula preferred by
Photius and his strict disciples, although it has little basis in the
earlier Eastern tradition. The other Eastern formula, that the Spirit
proceeds from the Father through the Son, is found in many Eastern
fathers, including Epiphanius, Ephrem, Cyril of Alexandria, and John
Damascene." This formula was also employed by the Patriarch
Tarasius at the Second Council of Nicea (A.D. 787).11</p>
<p>The first Eastern alternative, "from the Father alone," if asserted
in a rigid and exclusive way, has many disadvantages in comparison
with thefilioque. It may be asked, most fundamentally, whether the
monopatrist position can account for the terminology of the New
Testament regarding the Holy Spirit. Admittedly we do not have
any New Testament text which teaches formally that the Spirit
proceeds from the Son, but a number of texts, read in convergence,
seem to imply this. John 5:19, for example, says that the Son does only what He sees the Father doing-a statement which seems to
refer to the externally existing Son and hence to imply that the Son,
together with the Father, breathes forth the Spirit. In John 16:14
Jesus says that the Spirit of Truth will take from the Son what is the
Son's and declare it to the believing community. This "taking" is
often understood as referring to the procession. Then again, in the
Revelation to John, the river of the water of life is said to flow from
the throne of God and of the Lamb (Revelation 22:l). Read in
conjunction with Ezekiel 36:25-26, John 3:5, John 4:10, and 1 John
5:6-8, this river of living water may be understood as the life-giving
Spirit.</p>
<p>What is merely suggested by these texts is impressively confirmed
by the titles given to the Spirit in the New Testament. He is
repeatedly called the Spirit of the Son (Galatians 4:6), the Spirit of
Jesus (Acts 16:7), the Spirit of the Lord (2 Corinthians 3:17), the
Spirit of Christ (1 Peter 1:11), and the 'Spirit of Jesus Christ
(Philippians 1: 19). It is not enough to declare that the Son sends the
Spirit, as most monopatrists do, since it must be explained how the
Son gets the power to send the Spirit as His own. Correctly
insisting that the temporal truth must have an eternal ground, Karl
Barth holds that the Spirit of the Son eternally proceeds from the
Son.12</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.ctsfw.net/media/pdfs/dullesthefilioque.pdf">The Filioque: What Is at Stake? by Avery Cardinal Dulles</a></p>PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-35756109940659826342009-12-28T20:51:00.000-08:002009-12-28T20:52:29.126-08:00Faith & Works<p>The Protestant notion of "faith alone" has always been a little strange to me, even when I was a protestant. It didn't seem to take into account the way that God's grace transforms us to be more like Him.</p>
<p>Can someone who has faith, but doesn't love, be saved?</p>
<p>The answer is obviously no.</p>
<p>To say otherwise is to invert Paul's hierarchy of virtues: "And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love." 1 Corinthians 13:13</p>
<p>We know that love is necessary. But a good protestant might object that the sort of faith we're talking about isn't simple belief, but a "loving faith." That's fair enough.</p>
<p>But then the challenge is why use the phrase "faith alone" when we really mean "faith + love?" In fact, the phrase is even more suspicious than that. Consider that this is the only time the phrase "faith alone" appears in scripture…</p>
<p>"You see that a person is justified by what he does and <strong>not by faith alone</strong>." James 2:24</p>
<p>Here is what the Catechism says about Faith…</p>
<blockquote><p>1814 Faith is the theological virtue by which we believe in God and believe all that he has said and revealed to us, and that Holy Church proposes for our belief, because he is truth itself. By faith "man freely commits his entire self to God."78 For this reason the believer seeks to know and do God's will. "The righteous shall live by faith." Living faith "work[s] through charity."79</p>
<p>1815 The gift of faith remains in one who has not sinned against it.80 But "faith apart from works is dead":81 when it is deprived of hope and love, faith does not fully unite the believer to Christ and does not make him a living member of his Body.</p>
<p>1816 The disciple of Christ must not only keep the faith and live on it, but also profess it, confidently bear witness to it, and spread it: "All however must be prepared to confess Christ before men and to follow him along the way of the Cross, amidst the persecutions which the Church never lacks."82 Service of and witness to the faith are necessary for salvation: "So every one who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven; but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven."83</p>
<p>79 Rom 1:17; Gal 5:6.<br />
80 Cf. Council of Trent (1547): DS 1545.<br />
81 Jas 2:26.<br />
82 LG 42; cf. DH 14.<br />
83 Mt 10:32-33.</p></blockquote>PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-80196472895050378182009-12-12T13:48:00.000-08:002009-12-12T13:51:44.213-08:00The Euthyphro Problem in a Monotheistic Context<p>Plato's dialogue <i>Euthyphro</i> presents a logical problem about the meaning of piety (or more broadly, the Good) in a polythestic society. The basic question: "Is something good because the gods approve it, or do they approve it because it is good?"</p>
<p>In its original polytheistic context, it was a way for Plato to point to the fact that there is some external moral standard that even the gods must bow to.</p>
<p>Occasionally, modern skeptics or atheists will attempt to use the same line of argument to make the idea of a monotheistic God problematic. This modern adaptation follows the these lines.</p>
<p><b>"Is something good because God approves it, or does God approve it because it is good?"</b></p>
<p>1. If we answer that something is good because God approves it, then it would seem that the good is merely arbitrary, and that tomorrow God could declare cannibalism and adultery good. Clearly a God of this sort wouldn't be a God worthy of worship.</p>
<p>2. If we answer that God approves something because it is good, then it would seem that there is something superior to God that even God must obey. This sort of God clearly isn't omnipotent, and thus isn't the sort of God that monotheistic religions worship.</p>
<p>But the problem with this line of argument is that it presupposes a contrast between God and the Good which isn't possible in the classic monotheism of Augustine, Aquinas, etc. In their conception, there can be no contrast between God and the Good because <b>God is the Good</b>. The self-identity of God as the Good renders the question itself nonsensical.</p>
<p><b>"Is something good because the Good approves it, or does the Good approve it because it is good?"</b></p>
<p>The question no longer poses a problem. The answer is simply, yes, it is good because the Good approves it, and yes, the Good approves it because it is good.</p>
<p>This classic conception of God as the Good is shared across the monotheistic religions, but it was originally worked out specifically in relation to the idea that Christ is the Logos. The word Logos has many meanings in the philosophical tradition, but they include things like Reason, Moral Law, Wisdom, etc.</p>
<p>Because of this, arguments which depends on a contrast between God and the Good can only succeed with a sort of super-voluntaristic understanding of God's sovereignty which override an understanding of God's unchangeable nature as the Good itself.</p>PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-64366045930973061742009-11-14T07:13:00.000-08:002009-11-14T07:43:20.391-08:00Women's Ordination and Gregory the Theologian<p>As a fairly conservative Catholic who believes that the male-only priesthood is correct, one of the things that bothers me is the really <b>bad </b>arguments that conservatives often make in order to justify the Church's practice.</p>
<p>The problem with most of the arguments I've heard is that they imply that Christ assumed manhood, but not womanhood.</p>
<p>Now, this might not sound so bad to a lot of conservatives, but having recently been studying how the early Church hammered out Christology, it strikes me as incompatible with one of the fundamental principles of Christian doctrine.</p>
<blockquote>"That which is not assumed is not healed" -- Saint Gregory the Theologian</blockquote>
<p>If Christ assumed manhood, but not womanhood, then following St. Gregory's principle, women cannot be saved. Obviously this is heretical. But it seems the natural conclusion of the arguments conservatives typically use.</p>
<p>So, the trick is to find a way to articulate the necessity of an all-male priesthood without saying that Christ assumed manhood, but not womanhood.</p>
<p>Perhaps rather than focusing on manhood/womanhood as if they were things that could be assumed independent of each other, we should speak of Christ assuming Human Nature as a whole, including the sexual differentiation that encompasses both manhood and womanhood.*</p>
<p>Of course, that might mean no longer attempting to use Christ's incarnation as male to explain the all-male priesthood. On the other hand, perhaps there is a way to do so without running afoul of St. Gregory's principle. I'm just not sure what it might be yet.</p>
<p>* The medieval mystics, notably Julian of Norwich, managed to conceive of Christ as both male and masculine while simultaneously feminine (though not female).</p>PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-51387509676089035792009-02-01T12:00:00.001-08:002009-02-01T12:00:59.658-08:00Created GraceContra certain converts, the Eastern Orthodox tradition does seem to have a place for the Latin concept of "created grace."
<blockquote>'There is nothing strange,' Palamas writes, 'in using the word "grace" both for the created and the uncreated and in speaking of a created grace distinct from the created.' In what sense can one use the same word 'grace' about fundamentally different realities? We have seen that Palamas was aware of the many meanings of the word; he defines the matter thus: 'All that flows from the Spirit towards those who have been baptized in the Spirit according to the Gospel of grace, and who have been rendered completely spiritual, comes from the Source; it all comes from it, and also remains in it.'
<em>A Study of Gregory Palamas by John Meyendorff, pg. 164</em></blockquote>PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-90237900169373597892008-03-02T08:05:00.000-08:002008-03-02T08:07:55.734-08:00Love as Justification and Faith<blockquote>The fact that the horizon of the love given to us always greatly exceeds our own, and that the disparity can never be wiped out in this life, justifies everything presented as the 'dogmatic' aspect of faith: It may remain immeasurably beyond our capacity to realize this love which is the truth, yet it is no inexistent 'idea', but the full reality from which (In Christ and the Church, his unspotted bride,) all our striving and strength stems; that is why our act of faith in an ever greater love is necessarily identical with our act of faith in an ever greater truth which we cannot understand gnostically with the help of reason since it is pure love, a gift which remains for us an inconceivable miracle.</blockquote>
- Hans Urs von Balthasar, Love Alone is Credible, Chapter VIIPresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-26858416354380616292008-02-24T05:39:00.000-08:002008-02-24T05:40:35.354-08:00Praying With the Church Episode 6<span>The latest episode of the podcast is out. <a href="http://www.pwcpodcast.com/">Praying With the Church Episode 6: Why Penance? + The Sign of the Cross</a></span>PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-60293656533991397182007-12-03T20:30:00.000-08:002007-12-03T20:40:34.443-08:00Attunement to Being<blockquote>It is not by means of one isolated faculty that man is open, in knowledge and in love, to the Thou, to things and to God: it is <span style="font-style: italic;">as a whole</span> (through all his faculties) that man is attuned to total reality, and no one has shown this more profoundly and more thoroughly than Thomas Aquinas
According to Thomas, what is involved is an attunement to Being as a whole, and this ontological disposition is, in the living and sentient being, an <span style="font-style: italic;">a priori</span> concordance (<span style="font-style: italic;">con-sensus </span>as <span style="font-style: italic;">cum-sentire</span>, 'to feel with', here prior to the <span style="font-style: italic;">assentire</span>, 'to assent to').</blockquote>
Hans Urs von Balthasar - <span style="font-style: italic;">Seeing the Form</span>, vol 1 of <span style="font-style: italic;">The Glory of the Lord: </span><span style="font-style: italic;">A Theological Aesthetics</span>, page 243-44PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-7874849361606210242007-10-15T13:46:00.001-07:002007-10-15T13:47:18.070-07:00Praying With the Church Episode 5: Prayer as a Discipline & the Act of LoveThe latest episode of the Praying with the Church podcast is now released.
<a href="http://www.pwcpodcast.com">Praying With the Church Episode 5: Prayer as a Discipline & the Act of Love</a>PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-71897547913745274722007-10-04T13:11:00.000-07:002007-10-04T13:12:48.074-07:00Body, Blood, Soul & DivinityI think that often, Protestant/Evangelical reactions against the Catholic doctrine of the Eucharist are not reactions so much against the doctrine itself as a against a perception of the doctrine as "cutting up" Christ for our analysis. This is ironic, because from the Catholic perspective, the whole point of saying that Christ is substantially present, body, blood, soul & divinity in the Eucharist is to say that Christ's <span style="font-weight: bold;">entire person</span> meets us and nourishes us.
In this understanding, taking away any part of this presence is a terrible deprivation because it does not allow us to meet the Lord in the entirety of His Divine/Human person.PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-89545898037962054602007-08-10T09:40:00.000-07:002007-08-11T19:20:21.289-07:00Ben Myers on Pope Benedict's Jesus of Nazareth<p>A few days ago, Ben Myers posted <a href="http://faith-theology.blogspot.com/2007/08/popes-jesus-gerd-ldemann-and-benedict.html">a review of Gerd Ludemann's book on "The Pope's Jesus."</a></p>
<p>While I appreciate the fairness of the review to Benedict, I do take issue with a few things, mostly from this portion of the article.</p>
<blockquote><p>Lüdemann’s longest chapter (pp. 95-120) is devoted to Benedict’s use of the Fourth Gospel, and it is here that some of the central problems in Benedict’s methodology are brought into view. Benedict privileges the Fourth Gospel and freely uses it as a source of historical information about Jesus, but he offers “no convincing arguments against the scholarly consensus that the Johannine discourses have nothing to do with what Jesus himself actually said” (p. 120). Of course, some scholars are more optimistic about identifying historically authentic layers in the Fourth Gospel; <span style="font-weight: bold;">but it is nevertheless rather baffling to hear Benedict assert that “[t]he Jesus of the Fourth Gospel and the Jesus of the Synoptics is one and the same: the true ‘historical’ Jesus” (Jesus of Nazareth</span><span style="font-weight: bold;">, p. 111).</span></p>
<p>Such methodological shortcomings should be taken seriously in any evaluation of Benedict’s book. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Indeed, the fact that Benedict presupposes the divine “inspiration” of the biblical texts is already a significant obstacle to historical understanding.</span> Lüdemann is surely right to insist that the texts cannot be properly understood on the basis of any “supposed divine inspiration”: “Whoever has given a little finger to the historical-critical method must give the whole hand” (p. 151). <span style="font-weight: bold;">Of course, I myself think it is still possible to confess the “inspiration” of the canon – but this confession should arise subsequently from an encounter with the </span><i style="font-weight: bold;">witness</i><span style="font-weight: bold;"> of the texts, and should not be introduced as a methodological presupposition which guarantees the texts’ reliability in advance.</span></p>
<p>(Bold is my emphasis. Italics are in the original.)</p></blockquote>
<p>I am not at all "baffled" by the pope's treatment of John as a legitimate source of knowledge about the historical Jesus, though I am a bit confused by Myers' bafflement. It seems to me rather as if his critique of the use of John introduces the same sort of faith/history dichotomy as Ludemann's, albeit in a less radical form.</p>
<p>That the Gospel of John tells us about the Jesus of faith is, I take it, relatively uncontroversial. Whether it tells us about the Jesus of history is not. But Benedict's basic point (as Myers seems to understand elsewhere in his review) is that the Jesus of history and the Jesus of faith are the same Jesus.</p>
<p>This being the case, it would appear that Myers' objection only makes sense if he is privileging the Jesus of history over against John's Jesus of faith. But this is the very thing that he takes issue with in Ludemann.</p>
<p>The relation between scripture and witness in my (and Benedict's?) understanding seems to be quite different from Myer's as well.</p>
<p>In my understanding, the primary witness to Christ is the church as a whole. Included in this, of course, is scripture (written by the early church). But scripture does not stand by itself as witness to it's authenticity and inspiration. The past and present of the community of faith also constitutes a witness to the inspiration of scripture.</p>
<p>Thus it makes sense to me that doing theology and exegesis within the community of faith (rather than engaging in "pure apologetics" or "academic theology") not only can, but <span style="font-weight: bold;">should</span> presuppose the inspiration of scripture.</p>
<p>I'm not sure whether this is a Catholic/Protestant difference, or whether certain forms of Protestantism can adopt a similar approach. I suspect that they can.</p>PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-34220076682389128622007-07-25T16:42:00.000-07:002007-07-25T16:46:52.910-07:00Mary, Queen?<h4> Queen of Israel </h4> <p>Recently, a friend asked a very interesting question. Why do Catholics (and Orthodox) refer to Mary as a queen? The answer is that, even on Protestant terms of Sola Scriptura, she is one.</p>
<p>In the Kingdom of Israel, there was always one queen, but the kings often had more than one wife. How did this work? For the simple reason that in Israel, the queen wasn't the king's wife, but the king's mother. This can be seen in the relationship between Solomon and Bathsheba, for instance.</p>
<p>So, if the queen of Israel is always the mother of the king, what happens when Jesus is the Heir of David, and King of Israel? By the laws and customs of Israel, Jesus's mother is the queen of Israel, even if she wasn't a descendant of David herself.</p>
<p>Lest it be thought that this threatens the royal prerogatives of Christ, it is worth noting that the queens of Israel had no power in their own right, but only by virtue of their relationship to the son. If the king were to for some reason become displeased with the queen, she had no legal or customary authority by which she could resist him, and as soon as the king died and the kingship passed to another, she was no longer the queen.</p>
<h4> Queen of Heaven </h4> <p>All right, you might say, but surely Mary's title as Queen of Heaven is going too far?</p>
<p>If you read Revelation 12, you'll find a mysterious figure: a woman clothed with the sun, standing on the moon, with a crown of 12 stars on her head. The 12 stars indicate the 12 tribes of Israel, or the 12 apostles. What is significant is that a little bit later, we discover that this woman is pursued by a dragon and she gives birth to a son who will "rule the nations." This son is obviously Christ. So Christ's mother is shown in a symbolic way to be a queen, and more specifically, a queen of heaven.</p>
<p>How can this be?</p>
<p>Well, consider how the book of Revelation ends. It ends with the descent of the new Jerusalem, which is obviously meant to symbolize in some way the descent of Heaven to Earth. And Mary, as we saw earlier, is the mother of the King of the New Jerusalem. So it is in that sense that Mary is queen of heaven: not in her own right, but by the grace of her son. She is the icon and greatest example of what we all shall be, kings and queens reigning with Christ our King.</p>
<h4> Other Resources </h4> <p><a href="http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm" title="The Catechism on Mary">The Catechism on Mary</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html" title="The Compendium of the Catechism">The Compendium of the Catechism</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.evangelical-catholicism.com/2007/05/may-month-of-mary.html" title="Evangelical Catholicism's Series on Mary">Evangelical Catholicism's Series on Mary</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385501684?ie=UTF8&tag=presterjohnsm-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0385501684">Hail, Holy Queen by Scott Hahn</a><img alt="" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=presterjohnsm-20&l=as2&o=1&a=0385501684" style="border: medium none ! important; margin: 0px ! important;" border="0" height="1" width="1" /></p>PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-26063581189640212962007-06-15T14:11:00.000-07:002007-06-15T14:58:46.790-07:00Orthodoxy & the Immaculate Conception<p>I find myself a bit frustrated with the state of Orthodox apologetics surrounding the question of the Immaculate Conception of Mary. While I am quite sure that there are competent treatments of the question around, I haven't yet found a discussion that didn't make elementary mistakes about the Catholic understanding of original sin (a mistake I've seen even in such an otherwise excellent book as <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;">For the Life of the World</span> by Schmemann). I'm not a trained theologian, but I do feel competent to make the following observations.</p>
<p>1. While the Immaculate Conception hasn't been adopted widely in Orthodoxy, it does have a place in Orthodox tradition. St. Seraphim of Sarov, for instance, believed in the Immaculate Conception. So Orthodox apologists shouldn't be so quick to label it a "western heresy."</p>
<p>2. The Catholic Church, both Latin and Eastern Rite, does not teach that original sin involves inheriting actual guilt. Rather, the Church teaches that it involves inheriting a human nature which (among other things) is now prone to sin in a way that it wasn't before the Fall. St. Augustine does appear to have been of the opinion that guilt is inherited, but the Church has rejected this position. See for example CCC 405.</p>
<blockquote><p>Although it is proper to each individual,<sup>295</sup> original sin <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;">does not have the character of a personal fault</span> in any of Adam's descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.</p></blockquote>
<p>3. The exemption of Mary from inheriting original sin does not make Mary superhuman. It merely makes her not subject to concupiscence (the tendency to sin), without necessarily preventing her from being able to sin. (Though obviously the Church teaches that she didn't actually sin either.)</p><p>4. The occasional Orthodox apologist who argues that the Orthodox churches don't believe in the Immaculate Conception because they don't believe in original sin, should consult some <a href="http://orthodoxeurope.org/page/10/1.aspx#25">Orthodox Catechisms</a>. Yes, the understanding of what original sin entails is different, but that is not the same as not believing in it at all.</p><p>There is a huge amount of agreement between the Catholic and Orthodox churches regarding mariology, so it annoys me to see mistakes like this being made so often. Also, I would like to do some more reading on Orthodox mariology. Anyone have suggestions?</p>PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-35737076768967995902007-06-15T06:30:00.000-07:002007-06-15T14:11:44.836-07:00On Vox Nova<p>I've been enjoying the commentary on <a href="http://www.vox-nova.com/">Vox Nova</a>, a group blog devoted to the social doctrine of the Catholic Church. They do quite a good job of covering social issues that have been mostly overlooked by the Catholic blogosphere.</p>
<p>However, recently there has been some controversy over whether Vox Nova is "too liberal." Personally, I think it is quite refreshing to see a blog that is in the mainstream of Catholic social thought, rather than the "conservative" take that is more common online.</p>
<p>It also looks like they have added another blogger to the site, this time a more conservative one. I am looking forward to reading even more great things from them!</p>PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-21730418840652517892007-05-31T12:01:00.000-07:002007-05-31T12:14:58.798-07:00Visitation<p>Happy Feast of the Visitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary!</p>
<p>Today the Church remembers the visitation of Mary to Elizabeth, and how, as Mary drew near, the Holy Spirit came upon John and Elizabeth so that they recognized Whom Mary brought with her.</p>
<p>It seems to me an appropriate metaphor for the Christian life as the Holy Spirit gives us to recognize the presence of Christ in the Church, especially in the Holy Eucharist.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usccb.org/nab/053107.shtml">Here are the readings.</a></p>PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-73001805163520700432007-05-31T09:38:00.000-07:002007-05-31T09:40:31.627-07:00Personal, Communal, Impersonal<p><strong>Thought of the day:</strong> If your "personal relationship with Jesus" isn't communal, then it really isn't personal, but impersonal.</p>PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-8888797050155143102007-05-23T14:01:00.000-07:002007-05-23T14:04:25.547-07:00The Sign of the Woman<blockquote><p>Also at the heart of the visions that the Book of Revelation unfolds, are the deeply significant vision of the Woman bringing forth a male child and the complementary one of the dragon, already thrown down from Heaven but still very powerful.</p><p>This Woman represents Mary, the Mother of the Redeemer, but at the same time she also represents the whole Church, the People of God of all times, the Church which in all ages, with great suffering, brings forth Christ ever anew. And she is always threatened by the dragon's power. She appears defenceless and weak.</p><p>But while she is threatened, persecuted by the dragon, she is also protected by God's comfort. And in the end this Woman wins. The dragon does not win.</p><cite>— <a href="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2006/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20060823_en.html">Pope Benedict XVI's Second Catechesis on the Apostle John</a></blockquote>PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-88519225330103317812007-05-22T17:45:00.000-07:002007-05-22T17:46:57.512-07:00Heresy & Orthodoxy<blockquote><p>I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy.</p><p>—GK Chesterton</p></blockquote>PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-175862118759786012007-05-17T15:20:00.000-07:002007-05-17T15:21:34.773-07:00PatriolatryAm I the only one who is disturbed by the number of times bibles/crosses and American flags are used together in stock photography?PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-30945440706741225022007-05-03T17:27:00.000-07:002007-05-03T17:28:16.841-07:00Salvifici Doloris - Part VV
SHARERS IN THE SUFFERING OF CHRIST
19. The same Song of the Suffering Servant in the Book of Isaiah leads us, through the following verses, precisely in the direction of this question and answer:
"When he makes himself an offering for sin,
he shall see his offspring,
he shall prolong his days;
the will of the Lord shall prosper in his hand;
he shall see the fruit of the travail of his soul
and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant.
make many to be accounted righteous;
and he shall bear their iniquities.
Therefore I will divide him a portion with the great,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong;
because he poured out his soul to death,
and was numbered with the transgressors;
yet he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors".
One can say that with the Passion of Christ all human suffering has found itself in a new situation. And it is as though Job has foreseen this when he said: "I know that my Redeemer lives ...", and as though he had directed towards it his own suffering, which without the Redemption could not have revealed to him the fullness of its meaning.
"As though Job has foreseen this..." Job may not have literally foreseen what would take place, yet his hope was placed in the God who redeems. This hope was fulfilled in the seeming despair of Christ's "abandonment" to death and the grave.
In the Cross of Christ not only is the Redemption accomplished through suffering, but also human suffering itself has been redeemed,. Christ, - without any fault of his own - took on himself "the total evil of sin". The experience of this evil determined the incomparable extent of Christ's suffering, which became the price of the Redemption. The Song of the Suffering Servant in Isaiah speaks of this. In later times, the witnesses of the New Covenant, sealed in the Blood of Christ, will speak of this.
These are the words of the Apostle Peter in his First Letter: "You know that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your fathers, not with the perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot".
And the Apostle Paul in the Letter to the Galatians will say: "He gave himself for our sins to deliver us from the present evil age"(56), and in the First Letter to the Corinthians: "You were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body "(57).
With these and similar words the witnesses of the New Covenant speak of the greatness of the Redemption, accomplished through the suffering of Christ. The Redeemer suffered in place of man and for man. Every man has his own share in the Redemption. Each one is also called to share in that suffering through which the Redemption was accomplished. He is called to share in that suffering through which all human suffering has also been redeemed. In bringing about the Redemption through suffering, Christ has also raised human suffering to the level of the Redemption. Thus each man, in his suffering, can also become a sharer in the redemptive suffering of Christ.
Christ, being "abandoned" to the suffering of the Cross, shares in our self-imposed exile, and shows us how that exile is transformed from slavery into a pilgrimage. To unite our sufferings of Christ is to become a fellow pilgrim with Christ and share his cross as did Simon of Cyrene.
20. The texts of the New Testament express this concept in many places. In the Second Letter to the Corinthians the Apostle writes: "We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. For while we live we are always being given up to death for Jesus' sake, so that the life of Jesus may be manifested in our mortal flesh .... knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus"(58).
Saint Paul speaks of various sufferings and, in particular, of those in which the first Christians became sharers "for the sake of Christ ". These sufferings enable the recipients of that Letter to share in the work of the Redemption, accomplished through the suffering and death of the Redeemer. The eloquence of the Cross and death is, however, completed by the eloquence of the Resurrection. Man finds in the Resurrection a completely new light, which helps him to go forward through the thick darkness of humiliations, doubts, hopelessness and persecution. Therefore the Apostle will also write in the Second Letter to the Corinthians: "For as we share abundantly in Christ's sufferings, so through Christ we share abundantly in comfort too"(59). Elsewhere he addresses to his recipients words of encouragement: "May the Lord direct your hearts to the love of God and to the steadfastness of Christ"(60). And in the Letter to the Romans he writes: "I appeal to you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship"(61).
We are to present our bodies as a living sacrifice because our bodies are not our own: they are Christ's body sacrificed and given to us for our daily bread. This explains the strange saying of St. Ignatius of Antioch, "I am God's wheat, and I am ground by the teeth of wild beasts that I may be found pure bread [of Christ]."
The very participation in Christ's suffering finds, in these apostolic expressions, as it were a twofold dimension. If one becomes a sharer in the sufferings of Christ, this happens because Christ has opened his suffering to man, because he himself in his redemptive suffering has become, in a certain sense, a sharer in all human sufferings. Man, discovering through faith the redemptive suffering of Christ, also discovers in it his own sufferings; he rediscovers them, through faith, enriched with a new content and new meaning.
This discovery caused Saint Paul to write particularly strong words in the Letter to the Galatians: "I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me: and the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me"(62). Faith enables the author of these words to know that love which led Christ to the Cross. And if he loved us in this way, suffering and dying, then with this suffering and death of his he lives in the one whom he loved in this way; he lives in the man: in Paul. And living in him-to the degree that Paul, conscious of this through faith, responds to his love with love-Christ also becomes in a particular way united to the man, to Paul, through the Cross. This union caused Paul to write, in the same Letter to the Galatians, other words as well, no less strong: "But far be it from me to glory except in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world"(63).
Participating in Christ's sufferings opens up to us a participation in Christ's on divine life, and in this way also, it is eucharistic. For to suffer with Christ is to receive His Life in His Body & Blood. Likewise, participation in the Eucharist opens us up to the deepest dimensions of human suffering. Indeed, it opens us up to dimensions of human suffering which can only be found in their full meaning through the Cross of Christ.
21. The Cross of Christ throws salvific light, in a most penetrating way, on man's life and in particular on his suffering. For through faith the Cross reaches man together with the Resurrection: the mystery of the Passion is contained in the Paschal Mystery. The witnesses of Christ's Passion are at the same time witnesses of his Resurrection. Paul writes: "That I may know him (Christ) and the power of his Resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that if possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead"(64). Truly, the Apostle first experienced the "power of the Resurrection" of Christ, on the road to Damascus, and only later, in this paschal light, reached that " sharing in his sufferings" of which he speaks, for example, in the Letter to the Galatians. The path of Paul is clearly paschal: sharing in the Cross of Christ comes about through the experience of the Risen One, therefore through a special sharing in the Resurrection. Thus, even in the Apostle's expressions on the subject of suffering there so often appears the motif of glory, which finds its beginning in Christ's Cross.
The witnesses of the Cross and Resurrection were convinced that "through many tribulations we must enter the Kingdom of God"(65). And Paul, writing to the Thessalonians, says this: "We ourselves boast of you... for your steadfastness and faith in all your persecutions and in the afflictions which you are enduring. This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be made worthy of the Kingdom of God, for which you are suffering"(66). Thus to share in the sufferings of Christ is, at the same time, to suffer for the Kingdom of God. In the eyes of the just God, before his judgment, those who share in the suffering of Christ become worthy of this Kingdom. Through their sufferings, in a certain sense they repay the infinite price of the Passion and death of Christ, which became the price of our Redemption: at this price the Kingdom of God has been consolidated anew in human history, becoming the definitive prospect of man's earthly existence. Christ has led us into this Kingdom through his suffering. And also through suffering those surrounded by the mystery of Christ's Redemption become mature enough to enter this Kingdom.
Our suffering united with Christ's makes us to participate in his pilgrimage from Gethsemane to Golgotha, and ultimately to the Resurrection. It is often said that the Cross is meaningless without the Resurrection. But it is just as true that the Resurrection is meaningless without the Cross. For, how can one arrive at the end of one's journey unless he has traveled? Our pilgrimage ends in the Kingdom of God, which is the perfection of life in us, where Christ is all in all.
22. To the prospect of the Kingdom of God is linked hope in that glory which has its beginning in the Cross of Christ. The Resurrection revealed this glory—eschatological glory—which, in the Cross of Christ, was completely obscured by the immensity of suffering. Those who share in the sufferings of Christ are also called, through their own sufferings, to share in glory. Paul expresses this in various places. To the Romans he writes: " We are ... fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him. I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed in us"(67). In the Second Letter to the Corinthians we read: "For this slight momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, because we look not to the things that are seen but to things that are unseen"(68). The Apostle Peter will express this truth in the following words of his First Letter: "But rejoice in so far as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed "(69).
Though Christ's glory was, to human eyes, obscured by His crucifixion, it is nonetheless there that the seeds of His glorious Resurrection are shown. Though He was crowned with thorns, His thorns are a crown. And if we share in those thorns, then we also share His crown.
The motif of suffering and glory has a strictly evangelical characteristic, which becomes clear by reference to the Cross and the Resurrection. The Resurrection became, first of all, the manifestation of glory, which corresponds to Christ's being lifted up through the Cross. If, in fact, the Cross was to human eyes Christ's emptying of himself, at the same time it was in the eyes of God his being lifted up. On the Cross, Christ attained and fully accomplished his mission: by fulfilling the will of the Father, he at the same time fully realized himself. In weakness he manifested his power, and in humiliation he manifested all his messianic greatness. Are not all the words he uttered during his agony on Golgotha a proof of this greatness, and especially his words concerning the perpetrators of his crucifixion: "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do"(70)? To those who share in Christ's sufferings these words present themselves with the power of a supreme example. Suffering is also an invitation to manifest the moral greatness of man, his spiritual maturity. Proof of this has been given, down through the generations, by the martyrs and confessors of Christ, faithful to the words: "And do not fear those who kill the body, but cannot kill the soul .
In weakness Christ manifested His power, and if we allow our weakness to be taken up into His, then it too will manifest the divine power and glory of the Cross and Resurrection.
Christ's Resurrection has revealed "the glory of the future age" and, at the same time, has confirmed "the boast of the Cross": the glory that is hidden in the very suffering of Christ and which has been and is often mirrored in human suffering, as an expression of man's spiritual greatness. This glory must be acknowledged not only in the martyrs for the faith but in many others also who, at times, even without belief in Christ, suffer and give their lives for the truth and for a just cause. In the sufferings of all of these people the great dignity of man is strikingly confirmed.
The Cross is a hidden glory, like a seed that is planted in the ground, hidden in apparent death. But unless it dies, it cannot bring forth life. "If we have died with Christ we shall also live with him." These words of St. Paul have reference to baptism, but the tradition of the Church has also recognized a baptismof desire and a baptism of suffering, whereby we join ourselves to Christ. Even those who have suffered without knowledge of Christ will ultimately find that it is Christ's sufering that gives theirs meaning.
23. Suffering, in fact, is always a trial—at times a very hard one—to which humanity is subjected. The gospel paradox of weakness and strength often speaks to us from the pages of the Letters of Saint Paul, a paradox particularly experienced by the Apostle himself and together with him experienced by all who share Christ's sufferings. Paul writes in the Second Letter to the Corinthians: "I will all the more gladly boast of my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may rest upon me"(72). In the Second Letter to Timothy we read: "And therefore I suffer as I do. But I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed"(73). And in the Letter to the Philippians he will even say: "I can do all things in him who strengthens me"(74).
Those who share in Christ's sufferings have before their eyes the Paschal Mystery of the Cross and Resurrection, in which Christ descends, in a first phase, to the ultimate limits of human weakness and impotence: indeed, he dies nailed to the Cross. But if at the same time in this weakness there is accomplished his lifting up, confirmed by the power of the Resurrection, then this means that the weaknesses of all human sufferings are capable of being infused with the same power of God manifested in Christ's Cross. In such a concept, to suffer means to become particularly susceptible, particularly open to the working of the salvific powers of God, offered to humanity in Christ. In him God has confirmed his desire to act especially through suffering, which is man's weakness and emptying of self, and he wishes to make his power known precisely in this weakness and emptying of self. This also explains the exhortation in the First Letter of Peter: "Yet if one suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but under that name let him glorify God"(75).
Christ emptied HimSelf in becoming man, and still more in His obedience to the Cross. If we can follow Him in emptying ourselves, then we will find ourselves filled, not with the spirit of this present world, but with the Spirit of Christ, being made partakers of the divine nature. This also explains a rather puzzling phrase which arose in the Christian tradition of referring to the "happy fault [of Adam and Eve] which gained for a us so great a redeemer." Because we are broken, we can be mended. And when Christ does the mending, He remakes us better than before.
In the Letter to the Romans, the Apostle Paul deals still more fully with the theme of this "birth of power in weakness", this spiritual tempering of man in the midst of trials and tribulations, which is the particular vocation of those who share in Christ's sufferings. "More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not disappoint us, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit which has been given to us"(76). Suffering as it were contains a special call to the virtue which man must exercise on his own part. And this is the virtue of perseverance in bearing whatever disturbs and causes harm. In doing this, the individual unleashes hope, which maintains in him the conviction that suffering will not get the better of him, that it will not deprive him of his dignity as a human being, a dignity linked to awareness of the meaning of life. And indeed this meaning makes itself known together with the working of God's love, which is the supreme gift of the Holy Spirit. The more he shares in this love, man rediscovers himself more and more fully in suffering: he rediscovers the "soul" which he thought he had "lost"(77) because of suffering.
Suffering contains a special call to virtue, in particular to the virtue of hope. We may often have a hard time understanding how hope is a virtue like courage or wisdom or patience. But hope is the desire for the good things which Christ has promised. And in our day, do we not see that many among us do not even have a desire for that which is Good, even if they understand that it is Good? Hope reaches beyond mere desire, though, to be a grasping of those good things by our will, and an orientation of our life towards them. Suffering opens us up to hope by making us reach beyond ourselves.
24. Nevertheless, the Apostle's experiences as a sharer in the sufferings of Christ go even further. In the Letter to the Colossians we read the words which constitute as it were the final stage of the spiritual journey in relation to suffering: "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the Church"(78). And in another Letter he asks his readers: "Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ?"(79).
In the Paschal Mystery Christ began the union with man in the community of the Church. The mystery of the Church is expressed in this: that already in the act of Baptism, which brings about a configuration with Christ, and then through his Sacrifice—sacramentally through the Eucharist—the Church is continually being built up spiritually as the Body of Christ. In this Body, Christ wishes to be united with every individual, and in a special way he is united with those who suffer. The words quoted above from the Letter to the Colossians bear witness to the exceptional nature of this union. For, whoever suffers in union with Christ— just as the Apostle Paul bears his "tribulations" in union with Christ— not only receives from Christ that strength already referred to but also "completes" by his suffering "what is lacking in Christ's afflictions". This evangelical outlook especially highlights the truth concerning the creative character of suffering. The sufferings of Christ created the good of the world's redemption. This good in itself is inexhaustible and infinite. No man can add anything to it. But at the same time, in the mystery of the Church as his Body, Christ has in a sense opened his own redemptive suffering to all human suffering. In so far as man becomes a sharer in Christ's sufferings—in any part of the world and at any time in history—to that extent he in his own way completes the suffering through which Christ accomplished the Redemption of the world.
"Completing" the suffering of Christ: it sounds heretical. Is there something that Christ did not do in his suffering? No. He has done it all. But still his suffering must be "completed" in some way. Notice the way that Paul says that it is in his "flesh" (or body) that he completes the suffering of Christ. Why is this? Because the suffering of Paul's body is the suffering of the Body of Christ. Indeed, it is in a certain way, Christ's own suffering for His Body. This is why the suffering of Paul can be effectual for the benefit of the Church.
Does this mean that the Redemption achieved by Christ is not complete? No. It only means that the Redemption, accomplished through satisfactory love, remains always open to all love expressed in human suffering. In this dimension—the dimension of love—the Redemption which has already been completely accomplished is, in a certain sense, constantly being accomplished. Christ achieved the Redemption completely and to the very limits but at the same time he did not bring it to a close. In this redemptive suffering, through which the Redemption of the world was accomplished, Christ opened himself from the beginning to every human suffering and constantly does so. Yes, it seems to be part of the very essence of Christ's redemptive suffering that this suffering requires to be unceasingly completed.
Christ is open to suffering, because in HimSelf he has fulfilled every suffering. And, if we are in him, our suffering completes in us, His body, the suffering which he has already completed for us.
Thus, with this openness to every human suffering, Christ has accomplished the world's Redemption through his own suffering. For, at the same time, this Redemption, even though it was completely achieved by Christ's suffering, lives on and in its own special way develops in the history of man. It lives and develops as the body of Christ, the Church, and in this dimension every human suffering, by reason of the loving union with Christ, completes the suffering of Christ. It completes that suffering just as the Church completes the redemptive work of Christ. The mystery of the Church—that body which completes in itself also Christ's crucified and risen body—indicates at the same time the space or context in which human sufferings complete the sufferings of Christ. Only within this radius and dimension of the Church as the Body of Christ, which continually develops in space and time, can one think and speak of "what is lacking" in the sufferings of Christ. The Apostle, in fact, makes this clear when he writes of "completing what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the Church".
The suffering of Christ took place at a particular time and place, but Christ is not limited to that time and place. In the Eucharist and in His Mystical body, He continues to be present to us here and now. And in them, we are made present to his suffering.
It is precisely the Church, which ceaselessly draws on the infinite resources of the Redemption, introducing it into the life of humanity, which is the dimension in which the redemptive suffering of Christ can be constantly completed by the suffering of man. This also highlights the divine and human nature of the Church. Suffering seems in some way to share in the characteristics of this nature. And for this reason suffering also has a special value in the eyes of the Church. It is something good, before which the Church bows down in reverence with all the depth of her faith in the Redemption. She likewise bows down with all the depth of that faith with which she embraces within herself the inexpressible mystery of the Body of Christ.
The mystery of the Body of Christ is to be ever present with Christ. Present at His Incarnation, at His Baptism, and at His Passion. All these things are present, but Christ's passion, as the source of our redemption, is present to us in a special way. May we enter more deeply into it's heart.PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-42477525081851073832007-04-21T13:53:00.000-07:002007-04-21T17:30:37.693-07:00Grace<blockquote><p>Blessed are you Lord, God of all creation. Through your goodness we have this bread to offer, which Earth has given and human hands have made; it will become for us the Bread of Life.</p>
<p>Blessed be God forever!</p></blockquote>
<p>It occurred to me today that in a certain way, the Eucharist is the archetype of the Catholic understanding of grace.</p>
<p>First, there is a prevenient "goodness" (grace) of God which enables us to act for God. Then there is our actions or "work", our offerings to God. And finally, there is the grace of God in taking this offerings, pitiful though they may be, and transfiguring them, or (to use Eastern terminology) "divinizing" them.</p>
<blockquote><p>Blessed are you Lord, God of all creation. Through your goodness we have this wine to offer, fruit of the vine and work of human hands, it will become our spiritual drink.</p>
<p>Blessed be God forever!</p></blockquote>PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-79031657444540053812007-04-09T16:46:00.000-07:002007-04-09T16:47:34.025-07:00Praying With the Church WebsiteThe Praying With the Church podcast now has an official website, <a href="http://www.pwcpodcast.com">www.pwcpodcast.com</a>.PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-33218068750091921552007-03-26T15:11:00.000-07:002007-03-26T15:17:21.689-07:00Fr. Groeschel on Liberalism/Conservatism<blockquote>"I used to be a liberal, if liberal means concern for the other guy,” Father Groeschel said. “Now I consider myself a conservative-liberal-traditional-radical-confused person.”
- From a <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/25/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/25WEpeople.html?_r=4&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin">very good article</a> on Fr. Groeschel in the New York Times
</blockquote>This reminds me of some things that <a href="http://evangelical-catholicism.blogspot.com/">Michael & Katerina</a> have been saying lately.PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31084464.post-92179975483451293662007-03-26T13:59:00.000-07:002007-03-26T14:11:17.349-07:00A ThoughtModern secularism is the enemy of love, not because it undermines love by opposition to chastity, but because — surrounded by opulence — it does not see its radical poverty, and consequently cannot imagine the joy of obedience.PresterJoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933589009026049480noreply@blogger.com1